# Jacob or Israel

Key Passage: Genesis 33
Date: June 7, 2024

If you got your Bible, you’ll turn to Genesis chapter 33, please.

When people find that I’m going to preach around this church anyway, we get some interesting tips of advice. I won’t share all of them with you, but Frank told me that he and Joshua were going to be making faces at me out of they preach. And I said, what else is new?

I sure appreciate you going to get that bus. I really do. That is a blessing. Really it was. I don’t know how I’m going to—well, I know how I want to start this. That’s the next note. We learned of three traps people face in the business world and also in Christianity from Brother Gale. And they were good. For instance, trap number one.

You don’t understand the value of what you do, like being in church or whatever you do, cleaning the church or whatever. That was a great, tremendous trap, you know. Well, nobody needs me. I just won’t show up. Yeah, we want you to show up, okay? Right, Gail? I take good notes.

Number two, I got these from my wife as a comparison trap. Comparing myself to pastor—no way. He’ll improve. Just give him time. All right.

And then the perfection trap, you know, I got to be perfect. No, you don’t. The Bible says, be perfect, but he says, be mature. Be mature.

So there’s also, Brother Gail, I thought of this. I thought of this. There are three traps for a fill-in preacher. Trap number one: How do I start the message? That’s a trap. Okay.

Trap number two: Is it the right message?

Trap number three: How do I finish this thing? Okay, so there are three different traps, you know.

This has been a very interesting week. It’s been a very good week. We had a tremendous service as always here, and then you had Valentine’s Day, and I did some special things for my wife and went out and, while the neighbors weren’t looking, I stole some of their daffodils and buttercups—what do they call them, you know? No, there was nobody there. I checked first. No, I’ll get away with that.

Anyway, how do you get this thing started? I’ve wrestled with God two or three times in the middle of the night on tonight’s message. I thought I had the direction God wanted me to go, and I started preparing. And I worked on that for several hours. And then I took those notes and set them aside, and I’ll go another direction. And I wrestled with God on that. And then a day or so passed, I started thinking about that first message. By the way, if this doesn’t suit you, I’ll come back tomorrow night and we’ll do that other message.

Anyway, I took that first message. I threw it away. I tried the second message, threw it away. I came to the first message again and prepared it, all the things, everything, and struggled with it. Struggled with it. I was up this morning at a quarter till… five. If you want to get sympathy from me, it was 4:45; that sounds worse, you know. And I spent time in a session in prayer, got everything done, and so two messages, gone over twice, and still coming up with an unrest in my soul.

This afternoon, we were eating lunch after church, and wasn’t that a great message this morning? I love the teaching on the temple. There are so many symbolic things in there that point to Christ, point to Christ. So my wife, we about finished eating, and she says, “I guess you’ll be going to your office this afternoon.” So she gave me the message for tonight, and I wanted to look it over. So I went to the office and I put tonight’s message down on the desk there and turned my back on it and got in front of the recliner and cried for a while.

Just wrestled with God. Just wrestled with God.

So tonight, the topic—and I might start here. Years ago, I read in a Christian magazine about a family who lived out of town, out of town, and they had a little dairy. The dairy was down below this building, and upstairs was where they… the house was, the bedrooms and the kitchen and everything. Downstairs where they milked the cows, they had also the milking parlor where they refrigerated the milk. And Dad said to his son, he said, “Now, son, we’re going to go upstairs and we’re going to have devotions now. Before we have those devotions, you go downstairs and that milk we put on those big crocks, you make sure you water it down so we can sell more milk tomorrow, and then come upstairs and have devotions.”

Isn’t that sad?

And I told you the story about when I was in Florida and this—I heard this beep, beep noise. I was out knocking doors, and there was a guy making—had a van, and he was converting it over into a luxury van. I went up to it. “Hi, how’s it going?” He said, “Fine. It’s pretty hot out in it.” He said, “Yes.” I said, “Looks like you’re working on this van, converting it over.” And he said, “That’s right.” I said, “Why do you have a burr under your saddle?” Well, that’s a nice way to approach soul winning. Don’t take that away.

And his statement was this, because—now, right over there, two streets over, was First Baptist Church in Ruskin, Florida, a large church—and he said, “Because Baptists are a bunch of liars.”

So I shook off the dust off my… No, I didn’t. And leave him. No, I didn’t. I said, “Why do you say that?” He says, “Because my wife and I, who lived in Pennsylvania, and we bought this house down here, and he said we invested money into the stock market and different things. Then a Baptist church up there, they had a bond program going on, and if we would invest so much money, then we’d get a good return on our money. And he said, for 10 years, they had our money. And when we retired, we’d be able to get our money. We never got our money. They lied to us. So you Baptists are a bunch of liars.”

That’s a bitter pill to swallow.

With those two ideas about the milk and about the lies, and by the way, we didn’t drive the gospel down his throat; we apologized for some of the things that he may have seen. I assured him that not all Baptists are that way. Aren’t you glad?

But that’s the kind of a theme I want to look at tonight, and the title of a message: A Place or a Prince, a place or a prince. Or you could say Mahanaim or Peniel. Or you could call it Jacob or Israel. And I just labeled you and me, if we’re going to be honest.

Take your Bibles now and go to chapter 32 of Genesis. I said 33. See, Baptists are a bunch of liars. Anyway, look at chapter 32, verses 1, 2, and 3.

“And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him. And when Jacob saw them, the angels, he said, ‘This is God’s host.’ And he called the name of that place Mahanaim.”

Now go over to chapter 32, towards the end of the chapter, and look at verse 28.

“And he,” the angel, “said, ‘Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel; for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.’”

I said it could be called Mahanaim or Peniel. I said it could be called Jacob or it could be called Israel. With that in mind, before we go to this Bible and do a little preaching, let’s go to the Lord in prayer.

Our Jesus, we love you. And I believe what we’re about to give is what you gave to me. I’ve lived this. And I’m shameful to say at times, I live this Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde syndrome too often. To be honest, we walk into church. We come to the church with the Bible, God’s man, God’s people, God’s music. And then we walk out of the church. And sometimes before we get home, we’ve got a difficulty with our mate, our children, or whatever. And we live the days many times—Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday till Sunday or Wednesday evening—and we haven’t been in Israel; we’ve been a Jacob.

God, we ought to be on sackcloth and ashes about that. I know for me personally, that’s what I’ve wrestled with. I hate to say that sometimes I’m just a genuine phony, if there’s such a critter. So bless now, Lord, as we proclaim the word of God, and help me, Lord, I need you. In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen.

God called—or Jacob called this place Mahanaim. Mahanaim is found 37 times in the Bible. Peniel is found one time under this spelling and five times under another spelling. In this section of God’s word, and most of you, I’m sure, are very familiar with it, that Jacob is going to wrestle with the pre-incarnate Christ. And you know who’s going to win.

Let’s look at that account. Look at verse 24. And I’m going to try to do my best in putting in when the angels spoke and Jacob spoke or whatever. In verse 24: “And Jacob was left alone. And there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.”

Let me stop. I was in a meeting one time where a group of preachers and missionaries got into a church building late at night, 11 o’clock, and they prayed all night long, all night long. They prayed out loud; some didn’t, most did. And what I heard that night was the most startling, but the most refreshing men’s prayer meeting I’ve ever been in my life. To see men honestly get honest before God.

As we were in the prayer breakfast yesterday, and we were going to break up and have groups two or three praying together, and the first thing your pastor requested of us was this: silent prayer, time alone with God before you meet with your prayer partner and just get your life clean. If I have sin in my life, God won’t hear me. Amen? And the message this morning—oh, the mercy seat, praise God for the mercy seat.

Let’s go on. Quit interrupting me.

“And Jacob was left alone, and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he,” Jacob—excuse me, the angel—“could not prevail against him, he touched the hollow of the thigh of Jacob. And the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint as he wrestled with him. And he said,” the angel said, “Let me go, for the day breaketh.”

And he said, “I will not let thee go except thou bless me.” Jacob said, “I will not let you go until you bless me.” Has any of you—just a rhetorical question, no hands—have you ever been there? I know, I know, as we’ve been putting little churches together here and there, I know that man has been there at times. As I went out this morning and walked out here and saw the cars, I said to myself, this is a miracle.

He said, “I’m not going to let you go until you bless me.” That’s where I was this week.

And verse number 27: “And the angel said unto him, ‘What is thy name?’ And he said, ‘My name is Jacob.’”

“And he said, ‘Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel; for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.’”

You hung in there. You didn’t budge. You didn’t move. You didn’t run off. You stayed there. You’re not leaving, angel, until you bless me.

Verse number 29: “And Jacob asked him and said, ‘Tell me, I pray thee, thy name.’ And he said, ‘Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?’” It’s none of your business.

“And he,” the angel, “blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, for I have seen God face to face.” This is the troubling area of my life right now. It’s hard to be honest, is it not? My troubling spot right now is getting alone with God and knowing you’ve met with him. He called it Peniel, “and I have seen God face to face, and my life has been preserved.”

“And as he passed over,” as Jacob passed over Peniel, “the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh. Therefore, the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day, because he touched the hollow of Jacob’s thigh in the sinew that was that shrank.” Peniel. Mahanaim.

I’m just going to teach a little bit now. Mahanaim, you’ll find it 37 times in the scriptures. Notice about—and by the way, I might say this—Jacob is approximately 100 years old at this right age. He’s going to live 47 more years. Mahanaim is a place of tears. It’s a place of conflict. It’s a place of struggle physically and also emotionally. It’s a place where you take a stand, as we saw there in verse number 28, “and hast prevailed.” It’s a place of divine design.

Let me stop there. The things we go through many times—why has it happened to me? Well, maybe we ought to get alone with God and he might just tell us. In, look at verse 31, I think it is. In verse 31, no, I don’t. I won’t go. I won’t go there. I’ll just say this: a divine design. God told Jacob, when Laban got upset with him, God said to Jacob, “I want you to take your children, all you have, and go back home.” It was divine design. God orchestrated that meeting; it just didn’t happen. It’s a place of wrestling. It’s a place of change. It’s a place of death. “I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live,” right? It’s a place of death. It’s a place of sacrifice. Let me say it: Is it easier to walk across this platform like this, or all his life, Jacob, he will have a physical ailment because of this meeting? It’s a place of not only death, sacrifice, but it’s a place of life. John 10:10, “I’ve come to give you life and give you life more abundantly.” It’s a gift. It’s a place for victory. Solomon talks about the victory song.

In this text we’re looking at, and by the way, you’ll see things in the scriptures, you know, pick it up early, maybe in Genesis, like we have the harlot and the thread—what is it? Scarlet thread, thank you. There’s a scarlet thread, and it runs all the way through the Bible to there. And in this story about a place, it’s a place or a prince, this story, these principles are found all the way through Genesis. Read the rest of the book.

And as I read through this and read through this this week, I find some Jacob moments. A hundred years of Jacob moments. Jacob, 100 years old, he’s known as a supplanter. Is that right? The supplanter. He’s the trickster. He means to grasp things. He’s the one that takes advantage of situations. He’s the one that trips people up. He’s the one that deceives. He’s the one that lies. He’s the one that cheats. That’s Jacob. That’s what his name means.

For instance, in chapter 25, he steals the birthright. Here comes Esau, his brother, in from hunting, catching nothing, shooting nothing, and he comes in, and he’s starving. And he goes into the kitchen of the house, and who’s in there but Mama’s boy, Jacob, and he’s fixing some soup. And he says to Jacob, “Give me some soup, two potfuls, give me some of that stuff. It smells so good.” And old Jacob sees advantage: “You give me your birthright, and I’ll give you a bowl of soup.” Always taking advantage.

In chapter 27, Isaac said to Esau, “Hey, son, come in here. This is what I want you to do.” Isaac is totally blind; he can’t see. And he says to Esau, “I want you to go out and shoot me a deer and make it into the savory gravy I like and the meat I like so well and bring it to me.” And their mama hears about it. And Mama says to Jacob, “This is what I want you to do. I want to deceive your dad, and you get the blessing.” And in no time he’s coming in with the food. And Isaac is saying, “Esau?” “Is this Esau?” “Yes, I’m Esau.” “You came back so quick.” Oh, God was good to me. Liar, liar, liar, liar.

This Jacob is a runaway. When time got tough, what did you do? He ran away. Because Mama heard that Esau, after the blessing situation—Mama heard that I, or that Esau, as soon as Daddy dies, I’m going to kill my brother. So Mama says, “Hey, listen to me, you take and run, go to my folks 500 miles away.” Because when he cools down, then you can come home. She will never see her son again.

God steps in. The situation… Oh, I was going to say also this conniving character. All his life, 100 years. I’ve heard people say to me, “Well, that’s just the way I am.” We’ll change. 20 years. He’ll be with Laban, 20 years. And he will be a conniver, he’ll be a cheat, he’ll be a liar, he’ll be a manipulator, 20 years. And then God steps in and says, “Go home. Face the music.” As I’ve said to Adam, if you’re going to lead the choir, you’ve got to face the music. You’ve got to face your Esaus. So many of us want to bail out. I’ve been there. When tough gets going, sometimes I just don’t want to go. We need to stand up and take it like a man, whatever it might be, and go where God wants us to go—a place.

May Jacob become a prince. A religion become a relationship. Once Jacob heads home, and once before he’s going to wrestle with the angel, Jacob is going to continue being Jacob. He’s going to send his servants, and you go to admit my brother and tell him that Jacob’s coming. Look if you would in chapter number 33, and look if you would at verse 6.

“And the messengers returned to Jacob saying, ‘We came to thy brother Esau, and also he cometh to meet thee,’ notice, ‘with 400 men with him.’” He just brought his buddies along. They’re going to have a party. Yeah. Uh-huh.

And look at Jacob, and Jacob was greatly afraid and distressed, and he divided the people up. Look at this chapter. He is filled—is filled with manipulation, trying to figure it out, trying to do it in his own will, his own ways. So he divides all he has, and he puts part over here and puts part over here. And he says, “If Esau comes and attacks over here, then that group will be able to flee and leave and not die.” Jacob, that’s the conniver.

And then not only did he send messengers, but then he begins to bargain with God. Have you ever bargained with God? I did that yesterday. Boy, I don’t want to tell you this story. After men’s prayer breakfast, I’m going to tell you anyway, because if I don’t, you’ll hound me until I get out the door. Yesterday, we had the prayer breakfast, wonderful breakfast, wonderful time. I appreciate all that was done there. And I left and I went home, and I was little a few minutes, and I found out—I knew there was going to be sometime—but I found out Indiana was taking on Illinois in basketball. So I said, “Dear Lord, if you’ll let me see this game, I’ll go out so many later.” I was going to go out anyway. Did that disqualify me from preaching?

Anyway, so after the game, I went out knocking doors and had a wonderful time, and people were praying for me. Please pray for your pastor and Brother Anthony and any of us that go soul-winning; please do. Take the time and pray for us. We need your prayer.

So not only does he try to bargain—about four verses in that chapter, he tries to bargain with God. He says, “God, you’re the one that sent me here. You’re the one who said you’re going to be with me. You’re the one who said that I’m going to prosper. You’re the one, you’re the one.” And he’s bargaining, bargaining. God, oh, he told him it’s going to be okay.

And then he said, “I’ve got to do something.” Notice if you would, verse 20 of this chapter, verse 20: “And say ye moreover unto my brother Esau, ‘Behold, thy servant Jacob is behind us,’ for he said, ‘I will appease him with the present that goeth before me, and afterward I will see his face; peradventure he will accept me.’”

Appeasement. We are sowing seed, and so much of that right now is going on in our government; it’s not even funny. Appeasement means you try to do something to make peace with somebody, to try to have concessions, to try to pacify a situation so you don’t get in trouble.

So we see the Jacob moments, and we see the divine design of God. I’m going to correct this fellow. And then we see the Israel moment. The Israel moment, as we’ve read, is in verses 24 through 32. And humbly I say to you tonight, an Israel moment is this: When you don’t know what to do, God does. When you don’t have the answers, God has them. And it may come to the point to get an Israel moment out of our life. It may come an all-night prayer time or fasting and eating nothing and just begging God to do something.

When I was up at Hyles-Anderson College, I was going up there and I ran a yellow light. It was not red; that’s the truth. And this police officer pulled me over at 3 in the morning. And I’ll never forget it. I went in to see the judge. And as I was going through the doors, I said, “I’m not guilty.” I was going through the doors. One of the people said, “Are you going to go in and see the judge?” I said, “Yes, I am.” He said to me, “Let me tell you, you don’t want to get before that judge. You’re from Hyles-Anderson, aren’t you?” And I said, “Yes.” He says, “That judge hates Hyles-Anderson College.” And he’s going through the bookage. That’s encouraging.

And so, he said, “What do you do? Plead not guilty.” So I pled not guilty. And they sent me up another court date. And I got to wait to that court date. And I got alone with God, my wife and I, and we began to pray that God would intervene in meeting that judge. Went in the day of the meeting, and that judge was sick, accidentally sick. And there was a young judge in there. He said, “I want to ask you some fellow. How do you plead?” And I said, “I’m not guilty.” He said, “Well, the officer says you were there certain.” I said, “The officer lied to me.” He said, “The officer lied to you?” And the judge said, “I don’t think he’d lie to you.” I said, “It’s the truth.” He said, “Why are you up here?” And I said, “Well, I’m up here because I’m going to Hyles-Anderson College, going to become a preacher.” Uh-huh. He said, “That’s not what I’m going to do. I’m going to put down here, you’re guilty of being in that intersection, but it’s not going to cost you anything.” Amen. Amen. It’s just a coincidence we prayed, you know.

But that’s what I’m trying to get across to you, folks. We need to bend our knees and thank God to do something. Someone this morning in a class over there said, “We need to pray for revival.” It’s going to cost us. It’s not going to be easy. We need to stop running and stop gifting, stop bargaining, and stand up like a man and come to God and say, “Dear God, you’ve got to do something in a situation.” We need to have an Israel moment in this very chapter or the next chapter.

Esau’s going to say, “Jacob, what are all these animals you’re giving to me?” And he said, “It’s a gift to you.” And he said, “I’ll tell you what? We’ll take all my men of 400 and your people, and we’ll all go down to the same place.” Jacob said, “No, we can’t do that. Because if we go too fast, we’ll hurt the cattle, hurt the babies, and hurt the children.” What’s he doing? An Israel moment will take care of the family. Amen. That’s what he did; took care of the family. But in that same chapter 33, he will do some conniving.

Here’s my point tonight. Let’s go to chapter 35 and look at verse 10. In chapter 34, Dinah, his daughter… Jacob has his family where he shouldn’t be. He didn’t follow through what he’s supposed to do. And she will be raped. And so two of the sons of Jacob are going to annihilate a whole village. And Jacob is beside himself. Notice I’m saying Jacob is beside himself. But you go to the end of the chapter, and what does Jacob do? Jacob then does this: He says, “We’re going to go to Bethel. We’re going to build an altar. We’re going to pray.” That’s an Israel moment.

And look if you would in chapter or chapter 35 in 10. Chapter 35 and verse 10, it says, “And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out and blessed him, and God said unto him, ‘Thy name is Jacob, supplanter, trickster. Thy name shall not be called anymore Jacob,’ notice, ‘but Israel.’ You’re going to be Israel.” And he called his name Israel.

What am I after? Here’s what I’m after tonight. How do you start it? I don’t know. Is this the right message? I hope so. Every person in this room, at times you’ve been a Jacob. You’ve maybe embellished something. Maybe you’ve talked down to your wife or your husband. Maybe you’ve gotten after your children too strong. Maybe you’ve driven down the road and looked for cops. And if they’re around, you slow down. If they’re not around, I’m doing 80. Are you with me? All of us have the Jacob in us, every one of us. But we don’t have to continue to be a Jacob.

God wants us to be in Israel. God wants us to be a prince with God. God wants us to have a relationship with God. Mahanaim is a place. Peniel is a place where you met with God. It’s both the same place. That’s what God wants in my life, and that’s what God wants in all of our lives.

And when we get out of this church tonight, we’ll go home, maybe say something about somebody, or criticize our mate or criticize our parents or children or whatever, and it’s a point that we’re a Jacob, and we ought to be in Israel. And when we come to the point—when we come to the point where we step over the line, and God knows when we do, and so do we—and we stepped over the line, we need to think, “What did the preacher say this morning about a mercy seat?” And we need to run to the mercy seat of God and say, “Oh, dear God, forgive me.” And then go to the one you worked with that you’ve offended, that you’ve dealt with, and you know you’re wrong, and make it right.

And I’m going to give you a not very sweet story. True. About a year ago at our house, my wife and I were having a discussion, an argument. And the more we talked, the deeper we got. You ever been there? I don’t know if you remember this. I didn’t get her approval to bring your story out, so I may need it right now. And she would say something, batting the ball back, and I would bat the ball back, and the slamming of the ball got stronger and stronger and stronger verbally. And finally, out of desperation, I said something intelligently stupid. And you know what she said to me? “I don’t know who you are. Who are you?” Do you remember that? And I went away from talking with her. I said, “I need to get some time alone.” And I sought forgiveness from God and went to her, said, “Forgive me.” I say to you, who are you? Who are you? Are you Jacob?

You know who God wants you to be? An Israel. And again, I say this over and over and over again. As you read from the point where he met the angel, where you wrestle with the angel, where he prevailed with the angel, where his name was changed, and he started into the next 47 years, he wasn’t perfect. He failed. But he got right on his feet, got up again, sought forgiveness, and went on. And none of us are going to be Israel every moment of our life. But we’ve got a Holy Spirit that wants to prod us along to get to that position where we are in Israel, and not a Jacob. Not a Jacob.

That’s bound a word of prayer. Father, we love you. I think what Gail said this morning—he said the Sunday school lesson is all about him, and this message is about me. There have been times, Lord Jesus, that I’m ashamed, seriously, I’m ashamed how I respond to the situations. I become a Jacob big time. I have my rights. I thought we gave our rights to Christ. So, Lord, I pray for this service tonight. I pray, Lord Jesus, for these precious people. We’ll all just look at our lives, maybe here at the altar or home, whatever. Let’s just, as pastor said, keep our lives clean. We want to see something good happen on March the 19th, all the times here, but especially on that day. Oh, to have a body of believers at your chest walking with you. So, Lord, I love you. Now bless the invitation. In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen. Pastor.

Please stand. Would you please stand? I appreciate so very much the honesty. We all—me for sure—are there on the Jacob from time to time. But I want you to think about it: His name was changed when he was alone. Can I just emphasize for a second: alone? He seeth in secret and rewardeth it openly. That secret time is the key. That is the key. Would you just focus on that? I think it would be a great night for us just kind of come and say, “Lord, help me to be Israel. I want to be Israel more.” Would you do that? We’re going to pray. Would you come?

Lord, thank you for your goodness. Thank you, Lord, for your servant, his honesty. Lord, we’re all there more than we like to admit. Lord, help us to be with you and walk with you in secret, Lord. And would you change us for you? Meet with us tonight. Lord, help us to become more of Israel for you through your grace. We’ll thank you for it, Lord. Jesus, then we pray. Amen.

Would you come just spend some time? Let’s just seek the Lord. “Lord, I’d like to be Israel more.” Would you let him know that? Have your own way. Sing this next one from your heart. Would you do that?

I just appreciate the honesty. We’re all—all of us are there. I appreciate the honesty. You know, that’s really the first step of growth: just seeing it for what it is, just being honest about it. I appreciate that so very, very much. And you got a blessing from tonight, would you say amen? Amen. And amen. I appreciate you being—appreciate your faithfulness.

And ushers, if we just have a quick meeting, if you’re an usher or you would say, “Hey, I might be interested in that,” just real quick back in the fellowship hall, we won’t be long tonight. We’ll have a quick meeting back there. Make sure you let Brother Dumpert know what a blessing that was. I appreciate that. And pray that people come to church but not skunks. Would you do that, please? We appreciate that, you know. And amen. Glad to see you in the house of the Lord on Sunday night. That’s awesome. Brother Campanelli’s shaking his head, “What the world was that all about?” We had skunks here at our school. So someone said if we played that radio—someone said if we’d played like a sermon or one of these about “each one bring one,” then the skunks would listen, and they’d go out in the woods and each one bring one. We had skunks in all over, you know. So we’ll say—we were trying there, you know. Someone told us that. Brother Campanagan, good you have you with us tonight. Would you dismiss us in order of prayer, please, brother? Thank you for our…

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